What the USA needs is a firearms amnesty where everybody just gives their guns back to be melted. It's compact yet carries 14+1 stock mag or 19+1 extended mag. I LIKE them all. Advancements only apply to 9mm, apparently. That's a reasonable assumption, but it's not the only possibility. If you're afraid of what's behind your target you shouldn't be shooting in the first place. 9mm is the way to-go. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? It is always situational awareness no matter what. With the 14RD+1 extension handle mag that's my HP4573. I also like the .38 special. The subcompact 9mm, is an ideal carry gun but it's lighter weight makes recoil control difficult. Point and shoot, only need to hit my target oncethen they're down. This will eliminate the threat on fewer rounds. Most shooters I knew had taken classes under Jeff Cooper and were total .45 ACP cranks. Obviously we are talking relative speeds between bullets, not relative speeds between a car and a bullet. You can find a calculator for it online yourself as this website doesn't allow you to post comments with URLs in them. This is why the center mass target shooting with a double tap is taught with handgun self defense. Myself Did the "suspects" who had 9mm rounds bounce off of them happen to be wearing red underwear and a big "S" on their chest. There is a difference between an LEO and a civilian. The campground lot got sold. Fat & slow or snappy & whimpy Not much of a choice. The test_cookie is set by doubleclick.net and is used to determine if the user's browser supports cookies. One type of ammo in both guns makes things easier. 12 RD mags, and 15 RD mags that dont take away from the beauty of the gun. All loads and pistols are available commercially at the time of this writing. Get free updates when we add new tips, articles and more! Well, lets take a look at these two rounds and pit them against one another. I've seen A LOT of patients shot with numerous calibers. 2. Yes you are right there is a lot more 9mm ammo than there are 45 ACP. If they are still coming you have to be able to keep shooting. He didn't even have a BRUISE where the 45cal bullet hit him!! Yes, 45ACP with defensive loads and .40 S&W with defensive loads do more terminal damage than 9mm with defensive loads. For my 9mm velocity test I would use only Glock pistols. Let's be honest here, most gun handlers simply do not practice enough to be reliable pistoleers. If you need your first shot to count more than anything, then why aren't you carrying a .357 magnum? Brandon has spent the majority of his life hunting in the woods in Georgia and Alabama. You never know what you can walk into or what might bust in your door. This article has a ton of ballistic coefficient details but in general, the higher the number, the more aerodynamic it is. The results are clear, and they are not mine. Faster bullets are generally more reliable for downrange shooting because they dont drop nearly as much. If I am going mowing in bear country, my 1911A1 and eight FMJS are with me in case God forbid a bear attack.s. For one after police and FBI started using back 9mm amount of ammo that burned for arrested increased almost by 50%. Whilst a Glock 19 does have more capacity than a Glock 30, they are almost identical in size, with only 5 rounds difference in standard magazine capacities. Whatever works for *YOU* is the best choice. Something I noticed was that the percentage of loss among all nine millimeter loads between extremes in length was approximately 10%. As a trauma room doctor pointed out in one article I was reading, bullets that leave the body are less effective than ones that stay in. https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2017/03/9mm-40-45-acp-stopping-power/ Hi Wyatt, not trying to be a jerk here. Very interesting test. When the impact speeds significantly surpass about 1600-fps, there is a very definite and measurable decrease in penetration depth. I don't think one is better than the other either. Praised for being compact and easier to handle than its .45 ACP counterpart, the 9mm has become one of the most popular rounds in the world. An extended double stack .45 mag will give you the larger magazine capacity. Whatever floats your boat. The 9mm had a very distinct and predictable step in every load tested. More penetration does not mean more deadly. As I've said, I guarantee I'll stop an attacker quicker with my 45's than any of my 9mm. This is a debate that will go on as long as there are those who don't want to accept the laws of physics. For more than 30 years, the Beretta M9 and M9A1 have been the standard sidearm of the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps. If you had a slightly larger gun with a magazine holding seven or eight rounds (or more, such as a double-stack with 10, like a Glock 26) was available, you'd essentially have plenty (in most cases). . Today, modern incarnations of his cartridge significantly exceed that limit. Concealability is rarely an issue, so a smaller 9mm really has little advantage. Because when you are confronted in your living room, at a distance of 10-15 feet, you have to drop him before he can fire or you are going to get hit. You said: "With a .45 you can hit him anywhere, even in the arm or shoulder, and you're going to knock him down. -- Ballistics have improved for 9mm simply to make it usable again. If you come into my home, they're carrying what's left out in a bag. (Remember the linebacker.) For HD, I have a 12gauge but my G19 is fine. Our Friends Some are strict, some are not. I do just like the author says. Soul people go to hell. That is good. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. ======================= Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. My preference is 9mm because I know how I'll respond. The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. The more energy, the more potential for damage. Scenario: Armed burglar breaks in and is standing in the area in which your child/roommate's facilities is now based behind him. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Without the hydrostatic shock of a rifle round, wouldn't more organ and tissue damage be most important? I also read several years ago about a young lad at home on his own, who had essentially been tasked with defending the home if anyone tried to break in. Excellent well researched response. They cant handle the recoil of a .45 or .308 bcuz many times the 1st time they ever fired a weapon is after joining the military. Thanks! I own a few 9mm's and three 45's. Fortunate enough to equip your firearm with a suppressor? Thing is, no shoe fits everyone, no caliber fits everyone, I carry a fn fnx 45 tactical every day so capacity is irrelevant I carry 32 rounds of 45 the weight doesn't bother me I can control the recoil well enough follow up shots are quick and on target with a 4-6 inch group speed shooting so I'm staying with my 45 I don't belive the 9mm is less of a bullet i just like the size diffence and the look of a big bore firearm is all i love shooting a 9mm and will definitely buy multiple but for carry 45 and if I need more penetration than get a 10mm which is op compared to 9mm and 45. That is simply bologne. And yes,if you arent skilled with a hand gun,dont carry until you are. This begs the question: is bigger necessarily better? Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . Your 45 and your 9mm will both go clear through the walls in your house. I also own a glock 19 as well. Knock down power is vague, because it doesnt exist. Both rounds are more than enough to put a guy down. Yonder First of all, a higher muzzle velocity will mean a straighter trajectory down range. Use a gun and round that you can shoot well - which takes practice. It's just going to tear stuff up more in there. Federal American Eagle 9mm BONUS: Shoot better. However i must say I have quite a bit of arthritic damage in both death) 92+%, 9mm is just over 50%. I was an ATL and TL with 173rd ABN BDE LRRP 1966-67. Low capacity isn't your issue, so it seems that a powerful revolver would be ideal. And full metal jacket 5.56 bullets are not more effective than 7.62 x 51 using full metal jacket from what I have read. That would be 1,2,3,4,5 to stop the threat and the rest to miss with. Ok, Id agree thats a pretty reasoned response - its a complex issue (eg. Loading 41 mag to pussycat loads could bring it down to cross over with the 10. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. The prospective of gun use (effective distance) and barrel length is to myself most important you dont want to bring If you notice, .40 S&W and .45 ACP have the same average energy, but as I showed earlier, .45 ACP penetrates more on gel tests. I am currently looking into a kimber ultra carry ii or a sig p938. I wrap my grips with stretch adhesive tape to give me a custom grip. Energy at the target, which is considered critical to terminal performance, is enhanced when a bullet is traveling at a higher speed. If you want to stop a varmint, use the largest projectile feasible. Their non-noob advisors must suss out and add realistic priority to the criteria a noob might have learned from grampa, hollywood or G knows where. One of the GREAT things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY!! I train lots of noobs on my firearms who want to buy for self defense. We all know by now of Mr. Schumacher's killing of a large bear with a 9mm. These people think the 9mm shoots magic bullets and the 45 is just slow and heavy. The average penetration is as follows: .380 ACP (14.9"), 9mm (17.1"), .40 S&W (17.9"), .357 SIG (18.0"), .45 ACP (18.1"), and 10mm (18.9"). Whatever you repeat thousands of times will be available for use. Bullets which do not trike the target are worthless for self defense and represent a real danger to innocent bystanders. https://ammo.com/articles/handgun-wounding-factors-guide pros y contras, el 9mm. All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. Great article. If I want range and penetration, I'll grab one of my rifles. The important things here are Bullet Type, and bullet placement. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. 333 ft/lbs. Placement regardless the expansion will do the job. LolYour comments are the only ones I've read here filled with ignorance and apparent inexperience. I thought this was going to get way uglier in the comments. What is much more important is training and practice. Now look at your natural sight picture. will be my choice. I have my shooting partner tell me which to shoot. We see this repeated in other products. I agree Patrick. CQB scenarios where youre within the 17 engagements and you want to do work quietly, the .45 ACP has all of the advantages. I'm just a regular guy, but shot placement would rule my decision. We Americans are statistics addicted, any article without tons of statistics will probably go unpublished. For home defence, I have .38 special, 9mm and a 12 GA shotgun squirreled away. So that's another reason why you should get yourself a subnose. They are extremely different. Over penetration matters in public too. Maybe NOT, POF 5PK MP5 The Budget Reverse-Stretch Semi Auto from Pakistan, Ammo InStock: PMC Bronze 223 Rem 55 Grain FMJ Ammo 1000 Rounds $397.00 FREE S&H, Survival Deal: Thyrosafe Potassium Radioactive Iodide Tablets $21.95 FREE S&H, Gun Deals: Beretta A300 Ultima Patrol 12 Gauge Shotgun $949.00 FREE S&H, Brownells Coupon Codes www.brownells.com Updated Monthly. 100% agree. Maybe alternate .45 hollow point and hot buffalo bore or extreme penetrator (best of both worlds). This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. My personal preference for a home defense handgun is a full-sized pistol chambered in .45 ACP. Google DoubleClick IDE cookies are used to store information about how the user uses the website to present them with relevant ads and according to the user profile. Yes a 9mm may have less ft lb of energy going into your Type your email address and well send In fact, since the world began, only 3 people have been:- A miss with a .454 will not help you bring that charging animal down. In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.What is apparent from testing is that penetration stops increasing at impact speeds above about 1250-1300 fps. Preferring a 9mm for higher capacity and easier recoil is one thing. heyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. I then fired the same round into the post at an angle from an HK-94 (16 barrel). We measured the velocity for all 40 rounds using a Competition Dynamics Prochrono chronograph placed 10 feet away from the muzzle. First; opinions are like, well you know, the hole on your back side. I would want to be shot by the round with less penetration and less muzzle energy, 45ACP, because I have a greater chance of surviving - not that my odds are good either way. Having said that, in my humble opinion, I prefer the big slow moving .45. Still, if someone breaks in the house I keep a .45 S&W revolver next to the bed. I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. disagree with your conceal ability statement, sorry. When comparing a 115 grain 9mm round to a .45 ACP bullet that weighs twice as much, that difference is so substantial that the energy foot pounds can be nearly equal. Muzzle velocity is generally stated in feet per second, or fps. However, many European brands are listed in meters per second, which is abbreviated as either mps or m/s. For consistency, well use fps for the rest of this article like the red-blooded Americans we happen to be! I can tell you from my experiences the hotter the ammo the more difference between barrel lenghts especially the 5 & 10, were can i get a job like yours, just shooting. I've personally had the experience of using a Thompson .45 submachine gun (A1 army variant) full automatic. He is an active competition shooter with 14 medals from Camp Perry. It gives perspective from both sides. It is also something to consider when deciding on a load to purchase that you know will be used in a variety of pistols for a variety of purposes such as IDPA or 3-Gun. It has a capacity of 15+1 and it's a 45 ACP. Testing conditions were 50 degrees Fahrenheit with full sunlight. It must be a nightmare knowing you could be shot by a nutcase at any time, day or night. Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. Not a single one of them have considered the safety, storage, training costs/requirements, responsibilty, legal implications and physical logistics of owning and carrying. ), 9mm (379 ft. As for the difference between 9 mm and 45 does not even compare thats why when you see police having to fire many shots to take down a criminal when 1 shot from a 45 will take him off his feet It offers a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm, And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carry, Not to mention, the 9mm brings less recoil, making it an easier gun to handle especially for beginners, While the answer to this is up to debate, one thing is certain: higher muzzle velocity does equal, Unfortunately, this benefit may be completely. With the right 357, I can achieve upwards of 1800fps in a 16 barrel. However, going a full 10 inches longer up to a 17" barrel gained most of the tested loads under 100 feet per second in velocity. Our liberties have eroded because we've had generations of snowflake feel gooders raise and educate our youth to believe their hippie nonsense and they are more than willing to trade their freedom for that occasionally fluffy feeling in their tummies. As a retired LEO during the transition to semi-auto in the 80s, what is too politically incorrect and never mentioned is more females and smaller statured people entered the military and law enforcement. My experience has led me to the same conclusion. On his last visit I shot his personal carry 45, and compared it with my Sig 320. Basically, I believe with smaller bores you need to make use of their speeds and get a temporary wound cavity that matters (to make up for its smaller permanent wound cavity). Thats what I carry now.Always will.When that loud bitch goes off it gets everyones attention..especially the turd youre trying to ghost. Many handgun enthusiasts believe that bigger is, in fact, better and love everything that the .45 ACP has to offer. Maybe for law enforcement but not personal defense situation. The lady and child suffered a terrible experience but survived. Now that being said the 9mm has its place in a high performance situation. Studies done on combat troops show similar hit ratios to these LEO stats. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). A shift to the right or left could clear the background behind them. If your g it someone in the head, point blank, w/a blank round it should kill them. Regarding protection against tyranny, every empire in history has fallen (you know that as well as any). 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